On 05 Jul 2026, Digital Man said the following...

I think it should just be assumed (and really, not judged) that AI is going to be used by anyone serious about development. It's like saying
"I used a computer to make this", well, yeah, that's assumed. You used
the Internet, an editor (maybe), a compiler, library manager, linker, build/project manager, etc. as well. Just add AI to the list. I don't think disclaimers are needed. --

ah, so now anyone who doesn't use AI isn't taking things seriously?

you're full of bad takes regarding AI. did you get in on some nvidia/amd/etc stock early?

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Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: fusion to Digital Man on Mon Jul 06 2026 06:54 pm

On 05 Jul 2026, Digital Man said the following...

I think it should just be assumed (and really, not judged) that AI is going to be used by anyone serious about development. It's like saying "I used a computer to make this", well, yeah, that's assumed. You used the Internet, an editor (maybe), a compiler, library manager, linker, build/project manager, etc. as well. Just add AI to the list. I don't think disclaimers are needed. --

ah, so now anyone who doesn't use AI isn't taking things seriously?

In the realm of software development (and I imagine many other realms), yes. At the last 3 firms I've worked, if a software developer ("engineer") wouldn't use AI tools, they were gone.

you're full of bad takes regarding AI. did you get in on some nvidia/amd/etc stock early?

Nope, just a professional using the available tools to get the best job done, as is expected of me.
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Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Digital Man to fusion on Mon Jul 06 2026 16:12:36

Nope, just a professional using the available tools to get the best job done, as is expected of me.

I have given enough examples of the people take in the "professional" settings that has usage to the real world.

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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Hebrix to Digital Man on Tue Jul 07 2026 01:18 pm

If you code an OS and say "He'^Hre's my OS!" It's not your OS. IT's the AIO'
OS. You probably don't understand much about it. Because the AI did it for y

"Using AI" doesn't mean it does the entire thing for you. You can have AI write
bits here and there that you incorporate into the final product. Does that still make it the AI's OS?

It can be good for checking scripts, config files, etc., for errors.


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On Jul 06, 2026 09:16am, GREASE wrote to :

Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: MRO to All on Sat Jul 04 2026 07:01 pm

I think it's permeating into everything. I believe it's to easy

to fire

it up and turn it loose and say, "Good enough." I can't stand

it. So

much for creativity. I have a friend that's "wrote" 6 books. In

high

school, he spelled cat with a "K".

Yeah, AI IMO is a tool and should only be used as such. Not sure how
to code something? AI can be used as a starting point for
suggestions or insights ino what you are writing. I am wanting to
write a console mode replacement for wcsmtpserver.exe for WINServer,
and yeah I used aI to generated a starting outline for the
FreePascal code I want to use, but things such as database access,
etc, I will ask the developers about. or refer to the SDK. Sorry
for the rant.

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On Jul 06, 2026 11:07pm, HISACRO wrote to DIGITAL MAN:

Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Digital Man to fusion on Mon Jul 06 2026 16:12:36

Nope, just a professional using the available tools to get the

best job

done, as is expected of me.

I have given enough examples of the people take in the

"professional"

settings that has usage to the real world.

My husband was amazed AI could generate this code :)

**free

// Prototype for QtmsCreateSendEmail API
dcl-pr QtmsCreateSendEmail extproc('QtmsCreateSendEmail');
pMimeMsg pointer value;
pMsgLength int(10) value;
pErrCode pointer value;
end-pr;

// Data structure for the Error Code parameter
dcl-ds errCode qualified;
bytesProv int(10) inz(0);
bytesAvail int(10) inz(0);
end-ds;

// Variables
dcl-s mimeMessage varchar(32767);
dcl-s msgLen int(10);
dcl-s cr char(2) inz(x'0d25'); // Carriage Return + Line
Feed

// 1. Build the MIME formatted email message
mimeMessage = 'From: sender@domain.com' + cr +
'To: recipient@domain.com' + cr +
'Subject: Hello from RPGLE' + cr +
'MIME-Version: 1.0' + cr +
'Content-Type: text/plain' + cr +
cr + // Blank line separates headers from body
'This email was sent directly from an RPGLE program!'
+ cr;

msgLen = %len(mimeMessage);

// 2. Send the email
QtmsCreateSendEmail(%addr(mimeMessage) + 2 : msgLen : %addr
(errCode));

if errCode.bytesAvail = 0;
dsply 'Email sent successfully!';
else;
dsply 'Failed to send email.';
endif;

*inlr = *on;

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Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Digital Man to fusion on Mon Jul 06 2026 04:12 pm

ah, so now anyone who doesn't use AI isn't taking things seriously?

In the realm of software development (and I imagine many other realms), yes. At the last 3 firms I've worked, if a software developer ("engineer") wouldn't use AI tools, they were gone.

My excperience with AI is similar. I'm also work as a sodftware developer, and a lot of companies are pushing for using AI tools to help get things done faster. And in my experience, AI software development tools do help; it's another tool to use for productivity.

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So I thin kthere is a big difference between using a computer that you have
to master to get something done, and having an AI one-shit^H^H--erm--ot it
for you, then taking credit and money for it.

You're talking about AI as if it's human, <sigh>, AI is just a tool, it's not a living organic being, maybe you indulge a bit to much in SciFi movies?
Nothing wrong with SciFi unless you believe it's 100% real.
as Spock would say "it's not logical".

I don't think that is what the OP meant. I somewhat get their point. If you are letting AI code something and then passing it off completely as your own, while you are not stealing it from a human, you are still taking credit for something you didn't do.

Some people work places that expect them to use AI "or else" to assist or do their coding, so that is a different ballgame.

I have not really noticed anyone taking 100% credit for something they used AI on. I feel like DM and most others I am aware of have been pretty open about how they are using AI. I have even asked a couple of the BBS developers that I know use AI for advice as to how helpful it was to them.


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Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Dumas Walker to Outlaw on Wed Jul 08 2026 11:06 pm

I have not really noticed anyone taking 100% credit for something they used AI on. I feel like DM and most others I am aware of have been pretty open about how they are using AI. I have even asked a couple of the BBS developers that I know use AI for advice as to how helpful it was to them.

Yeah, and I don't really see a problem with that. As DM has stated, it's another software developer tool, for helping get work done. And I feel like it's conceptually not much different from Googling, finding examples, etc., which software developers have already been doing for decades.

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The only thing i'm saying is they should give credit where credit is due. I'm not happy with 'just assume everyone is'.

Agreed. If you are working somewhere that AI use is not expected or even supported, you should mention you are using it. There is a trend now called "shadow AI" where people are using it in professional tech environments that don't support/suggest its use. Shadow AI is considered a security risk.

As for hobby or open source coding, I also believe they should mention they were AI assisted, in part because...

Furthermore programmers will be held accountable for their ai contributer so that's something to be concerned about.

They might be in a professional environment, especially if they are using "Shadow AI," but I really, really don't think they are accountable in FOSS/Freeware or BBSing. The attitude I have come across there often is, AI assisted or not, "you are using free code so if the program eats up all your memory, shutting your servers down (or whatever other bad thing), that is on you so stop complaining." That is less from the developers (in most cases) and more from the community as a whole. Accountability is really minimal there.

In that event, I would like to know if FOSS/Free/BBS software is AI generated so I can make a better informed decision before deciding to install it.


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On Tue, 7 Jul 2026 07:58:00 +0000
"Robert Wolfe" (VERT/KLYNTAR)
<VERT/KLYNTAR!Robert.Wolfe@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:

On Jul 06, 2026 09:16am, GREASE wrote to :

Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: MRO to All on Sat Jul 04 2026 07:01 pm

I think it's permeating into everything. I believe it's to easy

to fire

it up and turn it loose and say, "Good enough." I can't stand

it. So

much for creativity. I have a friend that's "wrote" 6 books. In

high

school, he spelled cat with a "K".

Yeah, AI IMO is a tool and should only be used as such. Not sure how
to code something? AI can be used as a starting point for
suggestions or insights ino what you are writing. I am wanting to
write a console mode replacement for wcsmtpserver.exe for WINServer,
and yeah I used aI to generated a starting outline for the
FreePascal code I want to use, but things such as database access,
etc, I will ask the developers about. or refer to the SDK. Sorry
for the rant.

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Re: Re: ai shit from bbs peop
By: nelgin to Robert Wolfe on Fri Jul 10 2026 01:30 am

I prefer AI shit from BBS people to shit BBS people.

Takes one to know one nelge. What did i ever do to you?
I think i proved you wrong over something stupid a long time ago and
It wasn't even a thing.

Must have hurt your heart.

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Sorry, but it's completely different. As someone who has spent considerable time on SO and using AI, there's no comparison. AI is a coding companion. Furthermore, SO can't vibe code you a whole app.

I'm not necessarily talking about vibe coding a whole app. What I meant is, using an AI coding tool makes it easier to do what software developers have already been doing: Searching for answers & examples online for how to develop & code something and applying that to their solution. An AI development tool can come up with something you ask for and apply it directly to your code/project.

In past, I didn't use SO as much as a couple of mainframe-oriented forums. It was usually to find an example of something I wanted to try (most likely with SYNCSORT but, on rare occasions, in COBOL itself) and to get ideas on whether or not it what I wanted to try was even possible. So I was using it for examples to get ideas to code something myself.

Any time more recently I have tried to google examples for linux script or coding assistance, and wind up getting AI answers (Gemini or Claude), it wants to do it for you. Unless you realize it is broken and make a fix of your own, AI is going to create the actual working code piece that you are trying to get ideas for.

Using forums like SO, reading TFM, or doing other research for similar examples is very different than getting a working example from AI.

Autocomplete, as you mentioned previously, is closer for sure. I never had autocomplete on the mainframe, but I found it so incredibly annoying in 'code' that I disabled it. It is much more AI-ish than anything I tried to use previously.


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Soe here are talking as if AI human, AI is a tool, If someone write code, or a little program, then Uses AI to help clean the code up, that does not belong to AI, one should be honest tho and say AI was used to help write the code, but it does not belong to AI.
Some people are acting as though AI is an entity.
Nuff said.

No you are still missing the point. No one is claiming AI is human or even sentient... just that AI is creating code that people (who otherwise maybe cannot code) are presenting as their own. Search on "Shadow AI" for details on how this can cause trouble.



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Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Dumas Walker to Outlaw on Sat Jul 11 2026 09:28 pm

Soe here are talking as if AI human, AI is a tool, If someone write code,
or a little program, then Uses AI to help clean the code up, that does not
belong to AI, one should be honest tho and say AI was used to help write
the code, but it does not belong to AI.

No you are still missing the point. No one is claiming AI is human or even sentient... just that AI is creating code that people (who otherwise maybe cannot code) are presenting as their own. Search on "Shadow AI" for details on how this can cause trouble.

No, not missing the point, I even quoted the example in an earlier post.
The people that are saying code made with the help of AI belongs to AI.


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Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Dumas Walker to Outlaw on Sat Jul 11 2026 09:28 pm

Soe here are talking as if AI human, AI is a tool, If someone write code,
or a little program, then Uses AI to help clean the code up, that does not
belong to AI, one should be honest tho and say AI was used to help write
the code, but it does not belong to AI.

No you are still missing the point. No one is claiming AI is human or even
sentient... just that AI is creating code that people (who otherwise maybe
cannot code) are presenting as their own. Search on "Shadow AI" for details
on how this can cause trouble.

No, not missing the point, I even quoted the example in an earlier post. The people that are saying code made with the help of AI belongs to AI.

Except that the last two people you responded this way to were not making that point.

The point they were making is the same one I made above.

If you see someone making the point you are responding to... that AI is "human"... then please be sure you are replying to them. ;)


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On 7/11/2026 10:19 PM, CRU JONES wrote to HEBRIX:

Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Hebrix to Nightfox on Fri Jul 10 2026 01:46 pm

Furthermore, SO can't vibe code you a whole app.

what kind of newspeak is this vibe word you all keep using, i like the old meaning more, even if i

dont 'vibe' to greatly.
Its using AI to help generate code.

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Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Chris Dick on Sun Jul 12 2026 09:25 am

SpaceX, which absorbed Musk's personal X debt and xAI's money
hemorraging operation and is now fast-tracked into the NASDDAQ 100 (in
contravention of their own rules) is now forcing its debt onto the ATFs

Musk has been putting everything into spacex. That's how he operates.
He was homeless living in a fabricated home with grimes on spacex property.

Billionaires profit, ordinary people lose money,

you mean those people you vote for?

and the government
continues to finance Musk.

Businesses use the tax system and take advantage of everything they can. That's how they operate. they wouldn't exist if they didn't.


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Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jul 12 2026 01:41 pm

SpaceX, which absorbed Musk's personal X debt and xAI's money hemorraging
operation and is now fast-tracked into the NASDDAQ 100 (in contravention of
their own rules) is now forcing its debt onto the ATFs

Musk has been putting everything into spacex. That's how he operates. He was homeless living in a fabricated home with grimes on spacex property.

I assume you've dumped every spare cent you have into SPCX since the IPO if you believe in it so much, right?

Billionaires profit, ordinary people lose money,

you mean those people you vote for?

Most Billionaires don't run for public office, they just buy the people who do.

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Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: DaiTengu to MRO on Mon Jul 13 2026 07:26 am

Musk has been putting everything into spacex. That's how he operates. He was homeless living in a fabricated home with grimes on spacex property.

I assume you've dumped every spare cent you have into SPCX since the IPO if you believe in it so much, right?

It's not that i 'believe in it'; but it works. It did save those astronaughts. Yes i have some spacex stock.

and he had dumped everything he has into every one of his endeavors. like i Said, that's how he operates.

you mean those people you vote for?

Most Billionaires don't run for public office, they just buy the people who do.

The crooked politicians may not be billionares, but they are trying to be.

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Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Wed Jul 15 2026 07:37 am

MRO wrote to DaiTengu <=-

and he had dumped everything he has into every one of his endeavors. like i Said, that's how he operates.

And by "everything", you mean debt, right? X debt rolled into xAI, xAI
debt rolled into SpaceX...

By everything i mean everything.

People like this are on a whole 'nother level. money doesn't work the same for them as it does for us. Debt and credit and all that shit.



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